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I don’t believe it all, but my religion is still right!

‘Believe what you want, as long as it isn’t bad!’

I hear this a lot when debating moderates and ‘friendly’ atheists alike.

This may seem a fool proof path to peace, it isn’t. Nor is it healthy for debates.

My most recent clash of this kind was with a friend, one that I will indeed label a ‘friendly’ atheist. I am in no way unfriendly, but the person in question goes the extra mile to be accepting of religions. This seems illogical because we all know, religions cannot share equal status when all claim divinity.

Therefore to be accepting of all is absurd from a theological and scientific perspective. Morally, it is a more understandable stance to take but does little to halt the the most basic claim of all seeming ludicrous- religious superiority.

Believing whatever you like

This does not work in a debate. It can only hold weight when the belief is admittedly for personal reasons. This is fine, but should never be present in scientific discussions or debates.

Personal preference vs evidence= incompatibility.

Unless personal preference is believing what is evidence based.

Accepting multiple
religions

Similar to the above in that it cannot possibly be used in intellectual discussions. Considerate, but trouble making when confronted with a fundamentalist, believe-every-word stance.

I have said it before, moderates cannot argue for a religion if it involves leaving out large amounts of outdated, discriminatory doctrine. Morally yes, a moderate wins. Fundamentalism wins at not being silly enough to believe something is perfect, without believing all of it.

Fundamentalism still loses, nonetheless.

Religious differences cause conflicts. Conflicts are addressed with an attempt to blend religion in with multiculturalism, teaching tolerance and acceptance. I am all for multiculturalism, however some people will refuse to get along by simply being pushed together and told to do so, we aren’t fighting children being forced to make friends by our parents. Religion makes this a lot more of a difficult task.

But what happens when attacks occur? We are told they are carried out by people without faith. Groups with other agendas, religion isn’t one of those agendas.

So, moderates possess faith? Not as much as a fundamentalist. If I was to cherry pick certain verses to tailor it around my personal tastes, I wouldn’t have faith that religion was correct at all.

So what are moderates and religion-accepting atheists arguing for? Peace, not truth.

I would rather try to rid the world of all organised religions in search of truth and peace. My future children growing up with the image of a man nailed to a cross until dead is not the best start for a developing mind.

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  1. What do you think of the idea that all religions are partly right and partly wrong? That all of then are just human attempts to explain their experiences with God and what they think those mean?

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    • I typed a response that took me a little while, as soon as I hit send, my wifi turns to 3G and it vanishes! Just my luck. Apologies for the delay. I will do my best to retrace my steps and provide a response after my commute home.

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    • How was your thanksgiving? That was my first question 🙂

      I don’t agree that all religions are partly right or wrong, I do believe that all have aspects that are morally right and wrong, however.

      If religions are partly right in terms of facts and evidence, that means much of the scripture is wrong. What does that say for the religion in question? How could an all powerful and knowledgable God exist if he cannot provide enough evidence without providing untruths too?

      Also, I do not think that religions are explaining experiences that we see today, as experiences never cross over to other faiths. You never hear of a Muslim seeing Jesus in their toast, or hear of a Buddhist hearing directly from Zeus.

      Religions have survived not because they are explanations for phenomena we witness today, but survived due to strong family traditions and forced conversions during violent periods.

      Instead we have images implanted in our minds from childhood of religious teachings, and sometimes our brains find a patterns that fit these teachings. That is why Christians might find comfort in a tree with sticks arranged in a crucifix whilst followers of another faith will pass by without a second glance.

      I am more open to the idea of a God outside of organised religion though.

      Sorry for the delay!

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      • Considering the various combinations of family I had to mix with, Thanksgiving wasn’t too bad. Thanks for asking.

        If all religions are right in some aspects of morality then that would make them right in some aspect of fact right? If you think some portion of morality is right then you feel that is a fact right?

        But in general I see what you are driving at I think. You are speaking more to being right or wrong about historical or scientific facts?

        I just wonder sometimes if God is bigger and more complex than any one religion can encompass and some how they are all just expressions of different people thinking things about God and feeling things about God and trying to make that into something more cohesive and authoritative.

        Like maybe there is a God and none of us have it fully right about him and he is somewhere jumbled up in all of it. As to why he can’t reveal himself better…I don’t really know. I don’t even know why he had to do things the Old Testament way when he knew it wouldn’t work and that he would still end up having to do things the Jesus way. The administrator in me is bothers by that level of inefficiency in a supreme being. 🙂

        So if you are more open to the idea of a God outside of religion does that make you agnostic? Or a naturalist? Or a “spiritual” person? How does that openness translate into your atheism?

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      • I am glad you also question Gods inefficiency 🙂

        Yes I was talking about scientific and historical facts, a religion can be moral but this does not prove that the religion in question is factually correct. Although I say I am more open to the idea of a God outside of organised religion, I don’t have any reason to believe in one until there is evidence. Atheism isn’t about denying a God exists 100%, it is about coming to the conclusion via evidence (or lack of) that there probably isn’t one. Even Dawkins says he cannot deny 100% a God exists somewhere.

        If a God does exist, the lack of intervention at desperate times and the lack of desire to make his/her/it’s presence felt frustrates me. I would say I am an anti-theist for this reason. So I’m an atheist until there is proof, and an anti-theist if I was to consider a God exists. The only exception would be if this God was unable to contact us, or had died, then I would understand the lack of compassion. But the beliefs around the world suggest that God does exist and does intervene, but I’m sure we would know by now if he really did.

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      • Thanks for clearing that up. I can see the validity in why you feel frustrated by God, if he does exist, because of his lack of intervention. I quit praying for healing for others for a similar reason. I just decided that was tired of being let down.

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      • No problem. I respect the fact that you know when something isn’t working to stop trying, ‘Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results’- I feel that quote fits in very well.

        I guess I went from having that mentality regarding prayer to abandoning the faith altogether, that’s how I am here!

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